https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg_M3bb2MvI
https://speakingofjung.com/podcast/2021/6/5/episode-q195-richard-c-hoagland
Richard C. Hoagland is a science writer and consultant in the fields of astronomy, planetarium curating, and space-program education. In 1965, at the age of nineteen, he became curator of the Springfield Science Museum in Springfield, Massachusetts. The following year, he served as NBC Television consultant for the historic soft landing of a U.S. spacecraft on the moon, and appeared on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. During the Apollo 8 lunar-orbital mission on Christmas of 1968, he was asked to become a consultant to CBS News and served for many years as science advisor to Walter Cronkite.
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